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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Jul 21, 2007 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: unknown may 68 show

been diggin this little mini part of a show from may 68,i can't find it here at the archive so i thought i share it.click on the link,click on free and follow the directions,wait for download to complete and enjoy. [...] st.stephen fades in and caution is cut but don't let that deter you because the rest is sweet 68. Grateful Dead
05-??-68 Unknown

Vault Reel>DAT>CD>EAC>SHN

1. St. Stephen>
2. Cryptical>
3. The Other One>
4. Cryptical>
5. New Potato Caboose
6. Alligator>
7. Caution

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2007-07-22 00:42:19

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jul 22, 2007 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

This show appears thrice in my collection:

1) as May 68
2) as the 8-29-68 filler on CD 2 of 8-23-68
3) in one of the 5CDs of 1968 mystery tapes

To my ear it sounds like August or later, but I'm no expert.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 23, 2007 6:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

I studied this all night.
My guess is late spring or very early summer.

To me the sound is somewhere in between the "swing" type shows of early 1968, and the "bare wires" high-energy jamming prevalent that summer when St. Stephen was more likely to be played en suite with Dark Star and The Eleven.

But who knows for sure?

http://www.deadlists.com/default.asp

"Although this fragment circulates as "Fall 1968", "3/22/68 Detroit", and "May 1968", it is from an unlabeled reel. There is an entry for this set list on p. 164 of Volume 1 of the Deadhead's taping Compendium. According to Rob Eaton: "There were 5 unlabeled 7 inch reels found in the Vault many years ago. Several contained very early versions of Stephen. The tape you describe is one of these unknown reels. The best estimate for a date would be April/May 1968 or spring '68."

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-08-23.sbd.sacks.52.sbefail.shnf

I do know for sure that this is some amazing music and I have always enjoyed the Reggae/Dub organ intro on Cryptical with its very cool little Golden Road Jam. Also, this extraordinary New Potato Caboose features some exquisite playing by Jer and is one of my favorite versions. Thanks Tigerbolt!

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2007-07-23 13:25:07

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jul 23, 2007 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

Cliff: I'm going from memory here, but doesn't the NPC have an annoying (sorry!) 13-beat jam? Are there other pre-August NPCs that do? That's why I (casually and perhaps ignorantly) thought fall.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 23, 2007 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

You could be right, Lou. But there are so many shows missing from March-July, who can say when they first started experimenting with a thirteen time signature?

And while agree that the best NPC's pre-date the later versions containing this jam, this one is extremely cool and just might be my second favorite Caboose, Jer's amazing solos towards the end completely blow my mind!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jul 23, 2007 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

The only reason I gave this version an A- (the lowest score in my rigorous A+, A, A- grading scale) is that Phil is so annoyingly low in the mix--yes, my scale incorporated listenability as well as raw musical value--and Phil is so much the point of NPC that I couldn't see highly rating a version with so little of him. But I agree with you that Jerry is on fire.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 22, 2007 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

Hey Tiger and CLIFF et al...you had me going. Post with final resolution.

But, regardless, Thanks big time for your efforts Tiger.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 22, 2007 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

Hey Tiger, this is a real mystery?

When I started listening to your file, I was immediately sure I recognised Pigs very cool Reggae/Dub riffs on the intro to Cryptical, and the rather unique little Golden Road Jam as well. I started to A/B your file against 8/23/68 and Im pretty sure its the same St. Stephen (w/cut) into Cryptical. Check it out for yourself...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-08-23.sbd.sacks.52.sbefail.shnf

However the rest of the set lists dont match! I am investigating further...

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Poster: HiRoller Date: Jul 22, 2007 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

I was thinking more 8/22/68 rather than 8/23, but that's based on the set list. Can't download the show yet, since I downloaded some of the JGB vault earlier, so I can't compare. The setlist does look similar, though.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 22, 2007 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

Update:

the set list for 8/23/68 - Shrine

Cryptical Envelopement-> The Other One-> Cryptical Envelopement, Dark Star-> Saint Stephen-> The Eleven-> Death Don't Have No Mercy, Alligator-> Drums-> Alligator-> Caution (Do Not Stop on Tracks)

Tracks 1-10 on this Sacks board

Tracks 11-17 match the set list of Tigers show, and is unmistakeably the same music (Golden Road Jam, 13 Jam in the Caboose, Etc)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-08-23.sbd.sacks.52.sbefail.shnf

This exact St. Stephen -> Other One is also at the Tapers Vault from last January listed as “early-1968 Carousel”...

http://www.dead.net/news/2007/01/01/january-1-january-7-2007

I have associated this music with 8/23/68 from whats obviously another set tacked on to the Sacks board.

But what is it really?

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Jul 22, 2007 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

hey cliff your correct,just played both and they match pretty damn close.guess it's no longer unknown.guess it was just a misdated reel.i'll see if i can get this changed at etree.oh well enjoy either way folks.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jul 22, 2007 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

It's still downloading so I have heard it yet, but it's interesting that there's no surviving setlist with these songs from May 68, at least at deadbase, setlist, or deadlist. That's a reminder that, despite all we know, there's always more to the story.

Thanks for making this availalble.

Does anybody know any more about this?

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Jul 22, 2007 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

it might not be from may 68,this came from owsley's reel simply dated may 1968.owsley is known to be incorrect just ask g.o.p. about the fillmore east shows.

This post was modified by tigerbolt on 2007-07-22 22:53:00

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jul 22, 2007 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

Over time--well, especially around twenty years ago, tapes that were mislabeled were common. Wrong dates, tapes with songs from multiple shows, etc. Over the years, most of these mysteries have been solved. My guess is that it is jam sets from 2 nights put on one tape. Check Dwork's book and see if this tape is mentioned in the intro chapter.

As to Owsley, rumor has it that he once dropped acid and was never quite the same.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 22, 2007 5:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unknown may 68 show

it's still luvely whatever the date and place ... thanks